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Last Updated: Jan 22, 2012, 10:39:45 am
File version: v. 0.81
For M&B version: Multiple
Downloads: 68,244 Size: 313.06 MB
Views: 109,527 Type: 7Z
Home:  1860s Main FORUM
Rating (7 votes): 2.9 / 5.0
Description
V E R Y I M P O R T A N T
DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS VERSION, PLEASE!! If you want to play the New versio UPDATED to 1.153 and BUGS free , please go here:

LAST version is on MODDB.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/1860s-old-america

Please Play it and then RATE IT there!





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The GABRILDURO' s Bunch is proud to introduce you to this exciting historical adventure and wants to thank all the people that made this dream come true, and dedicate it to the first person that made a Western Mod for old M&B:
ROCKWELL, with his beautiful The Blue&Grey. Thanks, mate!!
To become a Supporter or to get more infos, go here:
Main forum http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/board,235.0.html


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Work in huge progress, pls be patiente!! :oops:

Thx to all ppl that helped in this project. Full Credit in Main Forum ;-)

Web Player Slideshows
-A http://img543.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=mb12ll.jpg
-B http://img15.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=mb12i.jpg


Gabrilduro


1860s Old America v. 0,81.
Before this period, some settlers, trappers, and backwoodsmen who were either Frenchmen from Canada or Englishmen from the British colonies, traveled through the trans Appalachian region, fighting the Native Americans, defending their lands. North America became more populated and prosperous, but expecially in 1860s, was the theatre of numerous bloody battles, involving Usa&Confederate soldiers, Natives, Mexicans, Canadians, Outlaws and many Civilians of different nationalities

-1860s supporter SIGNATURES:
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,186382.0.html

-Please DO NOT DOWNLOAD this Mod, unless you READ and DID all the following:

-INSTALL & TROUBLESHOOTING: GOOD NEWS: we basically fixed most of worst bugs!!!

PLS keep in mind, though, that you need a powerful pc for this mod. I personally have to play low/medium video performance with my cheap pc.

Please BEFORE reporting your "bugs" here, be sure it is a REAL bug and not just something you did not like or understand.

In case of serious PC problems

In order to prevent the same questions from being asked over and over again, when you get a CTD or Heavy Lag:
-If it's a CTD try to explain in detail what you were doing when the crash happened. Include things such as your ingame settings and such. For the heavy lag please include your ingame settings as well as your Pc specs.

Causes
1. For Windows Vista/7 Anything above a 2 ghz processor, 2 gigs of ram, and 512mb. Windows xp is pretty much the same with a bit more leave way in terms of ram requirements. (Laptops require even more, unless its a laptop built specifically for gaming with high end specs a laptop performs horribly for gaming)

2. Having "Textures on Demand" not checked in the configure settings. (For every PC)

3. Having "Force Single Threading" not checked in the advanced settings. (Primarily for dual or quad core PC's)

4. Putting Ragdolls and Corpses to unlimited. (10 Ragdolls/40 Corpses or less is usually what you want)

5. Having your battlesizer over 200. (I suggest only going above 150 for PC's that exceed the specs I stated above)

6. Having your performance % under 100%. (The better the game looks, the slower it will run)

7. Having background programs running. (This eats up a ton of memory even if they aren't being used. Also M&B gets real anal when you alt + tab out of the game and typically crashes)

8. Having Anti-Aliasing on anything other than off/none. (For a game with graphics like M&B's this doesn't really do anything anyways, but your PC thinks it does and will still use massive amounts of video memory to try and make it work)

9. Having Edit mode selected in the advanced settings. (Only use this for debugging and never for actually playing the game)

10. You installed the mod incorrectly and screwed something up. (It happens sometimes, deal with it)


Potential Fixes

1. Battlesizer to 100 or less. (Will help performance and CTD's)

2. Video settings to "Low". (Will help performance)

3. Using Direct X7. (Looks crappy but helps low end PC's alot)

4. Use the "Start Windowed" option in settings with 800x600 resolution. (Will help performance)

5. Set max frame rate to 70. Even less, 60 or even 50!!!!! (The human eye can only see 60 fps tops anyways, and that's with perfect vision. Having it set to a high number just because your PC can do it isn't always a good idea)
I solved all my problems with this issue, and REMOVING BLOOD!!!!

6. Completely uninstall M&B and delete all files/registry files and do a fresh install. (Sometimes files become corrupted for whatever reason)

7. Turn off your networking and anti virus when you play the game, if you're using a hardcord for your networking unplug it from your PC just incase. (This will free up memory, which the game uses a ton of)


This is what I've experimented with during my time playing M&B. I personally use a 3ghz dual core, 4 gigs of ram, 2257mb video memory, and windows 7 64-bit. I never CTD, I don't lag in the battle maps with max settings and 250 battlesizer, and I have slight stutter on the World Map.

No matter how good your PC is, you will get stutter/lag on the World Map. This is due to the game's engine processing so many scripts constantly, and there is nothing you or Othr can do to fix that minus removing alot of shit.

If you are getting errors that show up with the red text, go into the notes and screen shot it then place it on the bugs board. More than likely it's an error in your installation because I have yet to see another one since this last patch.

If you get a CTD and it gives a pop-up with what caused it to crash take a screen shot of that and place it on the bugs board.
If you haven't bothered to read this far and just spam the board I'll ask Othr to just delete your post and your questions will just be ignored. As new problems/fixes are found I'll add them to the list and let you all know it's been updated.


If the game now works well, increase few things at a time, to discover WHERE your problem was.

If some problems are still there, try to solve your problem at this link http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,131274.0.html.


.1st
WHEN STARTING M&B WB AND CHOOSING 1860s MOD, GO TO "CONFIGURE" AND THEN TO "HIDE BLOOD" / "ENABLE CHEATS" (they both should NOT be marked if you have PC performances problem). GO THEN TO "ADVANCED" AND CHECK IF "Enable Edit Mode" is on.
(It should be OFF for best performance)

.2nd
TURN DOWN ALL YOUR VIDEO SETTINGS, ALL OF THEM TO MINIMUM, BUT EXPECIALLY
"MAX FRAME RATE" TO 60
"TREES DETAILS" AND ANY "SHADER/SHADOWS" TO MINIMUM
- Do not set to zero "Monitor Gamma" of course....or your monitor will become BLACK! :D

.3rd
TURN TO MINIMUM "BATTLE SIZE" AND ALL POSSIBLE GAME OPTIONS, EVEN INDICATORS.

If the game now works well, increase few things at a time, to discover WHERE your problem was.

If some problems are still there, try to solve your problem at this link http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,131274.0.html.


IMPORTANT:

1860s OLD AMERICA IS MADE TO RUN ONLY WITH ORIGINAL WAR BAND UPDATED TO V. 1.134 / 1.143





PS IMPORTANT: Some problems occured downloading my Mods on this site, cuz they are preatty BIG sized.... :-?
So, please, check the size of your final dwld and compare it with the size of this upload

gabby :wink:


GREAT MOVIES that inspired me (please have a look :wink) :


-How the West Was Won
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RQbcUP8PO0

-Shenandoah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec-lmjqBOw0
Shenandoah: Difference between Lovin' and Likin' (watch this, boys...I am a father of a 14 yo girl now... :roll: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wQyDiC7e-o&feature=related
Shenandoah: some darn good "Southerners" getting bad luck.... :cry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDHBj8KqlHI&feature=related

-The Undefeated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lnc-MC_Ao8

-Major Dundee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eG5LNLhfq4&feature=related

-The good the bad and the ugly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13EUXqIwDkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRw00jaFgo4&feature=related

-They call me trinity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Hz2Soki2g&feature=related



FACTIONS:
We planned on many playable factions and we'd like to see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

-USA regular army (Civil War Faction and geografically located at North east)
-CSA Confederate States of America (Civil War Faction and geografically located at North east)

-Canadian Union (or just Canadian Frontier...I have to see on the map how it will come out )
VERY SIMPLE troop tree at this stage, we will make it with Canadian uniforms and stuff....

-American western Frontier (farmers, homesteaders, ecc)
-American Frontier Army (Indian wars)
-Indians of the Plains (some like Sioux Pawnee Cheyenne)

and / or (I have to see on the map how it will come out...)

-Indians of South west (some like Comanche Apache Navajo)

-Mexico (Emperor Maximillian) with nice french army support (ALAN, 8-)....get ready with uniforms like these....)
-Mexico Rebels (Juarez)

Tons of Outlaws like: Confederate deserters, Union deserters, (they already come from factions as "Deserters troops", anyway) Bushwhackers, Stagecoach robbers Indian raiders (Hehehehe....can Gabby go without his INDIANS??? ) etc.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In this way, according to every player' s taste, you will be able to play the faction and the geographical historical period that you like more.....in the best Gabby' games tradition, hehehehe !!! :mrgreen:

CREDITS: (Old & New )
First one to Azrooh (Secession Mod Developer) for supporting and actively helping me with textures and more (Thx Az!! :wink: )

SPECIAL THANKS TO:

ALAN DE SOISON
AULDMAN
CRUMBS (not active at the moment)
CELESTIALRED
CUSTER
DELLIVIS

GASTON
LEADTAIL
MICHAEL
POGO
POOMTANG
RADETZKY

HISTORY EXPERTS: AULDMAN

SCENES MASTER: CAPTAIN ANTIGONOS

HELPERS: , AJOLIN, KIRIEL, LEN, ABADGAEM, Cuireach, Wrc.

TESTERS: corytlh

MY VERY FIRST SUPPORTER AND GOOD FRIEND: ADMIRAL NELSON6262

Schredorz and his team should get full credit for their great Items, textures, animations, etc etc....
We honored him creating a tavern companion with his name: SCHREDZORZ. (THX Shredz!!)
I want to thank for their support all people who sent the first comments (SEE BELOW) and helped me in some way at the very beginning_
ADMIRAL NELSON6262, CRUMBS (THE GREAT mohican head hunter!!!Thanks friend!!!), BEA1234, COSELETE, KIRIEL, SGCODE, IDIBIL AND ALL FANS AND FRIENDS.

MY patiente WIFE AND my delicious 2 KIDS

And all M&B and WB modders for the work they made and the fun they gave to all of us. ......you can understand their efforts only becoming a modder.
In particular
-AGE OF FALSE INNOCENCE which made the base of this mod,
-MORGH'S MOD TOOLS (THAT EVERYBODY USE AND DO NOT GIVE CREDIT!),
-1866 greatest western mod and expecially YELLOWMOSQUITO and Highlander for giving me full permission (FULL CREDIT here http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,166156.msg4028164.html#msg4028164 )
-AZROOH and all his Secession boys (on top Rigadoon, Kegger, Hinkel, 5arge, etc etc .... and the super nice GOKILLER!! :green: ). Counting on you for future updates ;-)
The blue and the grey by ROCKWEL (first WESTERN MODE!!!), I dedicate this work to you, my generous and kind friend!!!
-Dejawolf, Talak, and Faradon for the use of their OSP, Struggle for Bermia, Renaissance, Kill the infidel, Blood and Steel, Star wars, Mesoamerica (Great mod about Hernan Cortez), Russia 1917, TEATRC, Hunt Mod, Rathos for the "bisonshield" model, China battlefield (2nd world war), Hegemony 268 v.960, Flanged from gangs of glasgow, Gingolsfin for great maps, Aquil for dark textures, Smiley Stuff Osp,Yiyang Chen,Rabbit, White,Tei Fix for some crashes ,Yamabusi for wanderful Highlanders and expecially, for issues, help and always beeing supportive, IDIBIL of BRYTENWALDA, the best historical and very complete mod ever. AND THE GREAT -IYI-O-R-T- too!!!!!
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by Peter2447 on Jan 22, 2012, 11:43:43 am
:-D I am very excited about this mod so i am downloading it now :hammer:
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by Uber Uther on Jan 22, 2012, 01:19:25 pm
Many thanks to Gabby and Gabby's Bunch who helped make this beautiful looking Mod.

I love your work Gabby! :)
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by GABRILDURO on Jan 22, 2012, 02:21:53 pm
Thx guys :green:
Please read all that up above.

I know is a pain in the butt ....I know....but pls follow all instructions, ok?

AND post problems only in the forum link, ok? ;-)

Be patient, many things are still from 1755 (names, towns, some troops...etc) but in a close future all this will get updated (hopefully.... :oops: )

Gabby

PS TRY also Custom Battles at start of Menu....I made som special battle Maps there (thx to Master Antigonos!!! and Dellivis as well B-) )
comment last edited by GABRILDURO on Jan 22, 2012, 02:22:42 pm
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by Uber Uther on Jan 22, 2012, 11:31:04 pm
Gabby, I have been playing for 8 hours straight, with NO PROBLEMS!!!! :D

Gabby, this is THE BEST MOD I HAVE EVER PLAYED!!!!!
Thank you & the Team for all of your hard work, this is AWESOME!:)

*I have only 1 glitch/bug to report.
You can recruit more men into your party from rescued prisoners than you are allowed, so I now have a party of 250 instead of the "allowed" 35. ;)
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 Re: 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by GABRILDURO on Jan 23, 2012, 12:14:40 am
Uber Uther wrote:
Gabby, I have been playing for 8 hours straight, with NO PROBLEMS!!!! :D

Gabby, this is THE BEST MOD I HAVE EVER PLAYED!!!!!
Thank you & the Team for all of your hard work, this is AWESOME!:)

*I have only 1 glitch/bug to report.
You can recruit more men into your party from rescued prisoners than you are allowed, so I now have a party of 250 instead of the "allowed" 35. ;)

THx Ubi! :-P

I m so happy you liked it, really.
And yes, that Party Size issue is kind of a thing that happened....but I left it in cuz is kind of ...."cool" :green:
....but not all troops can be hired over the limit....you will see. ;-)


But please, please....I do not check here for comments/problems:


PLEASE write your comments on the Main Forum
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/board,235.0.html



THX
Gabby ;-)
comment last edited by GABRILDURO on Jan 23, 2012, 12:19:59 am
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by tobijah on Jan 28, 2012, 06:58:39 am
Hi Gabby, the person who did the poster art misspelled "American" they spelled it "Amercan"...
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by Cyberassassin44 on Jan 30, 2012, 04:23:06 pm
I had an unspecified shader error msg dont know if its my computer or if it is the mod it happened after i played a battle in a forest :-(
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 Re: 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by dragonmike48 on Feb 01, 2012, 07:40:45 pm
Hey is there any way you could make it a zip file..? i hate how everything is going to winrar :/

But please, please....I do not check here for comments/problems:


PLEASE write your comments on the Main Forum
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/board,235.0.html



THX
Gabby ;-)
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by brummiebiker on Feb 16, 2012, 07:37:31 am
for me that mod works properly as all your mods , and i play on laptop
i didnt change settings at all
very nice idea , much better than another medieval mod , some people changing few weapons and mails and upload as new mod , sad but true
i understand this is only beta version?
you have to redone inventory , uniforms and weapons , specially prussian freikorps and saranid mail :-D because now this is only one big mess and some uniforms are shiny , some matt , invisible legs , slow horses, mixed items from few other mods some of them ''unable to find'' ,and of course disapearing items from your first companion inventory ( rifle &pistol or somtehing like that ).that looks horrible compare to even still unfinished 1755mod' looks like ''masterpiece of drunken master'' :-)
keep working guys ,
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 Re: 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by brummiebiker on Feb 16, 2012, 08:02:20 am
Uber Uther wrote:
Gabby, I have been playing for 8 hours straight, with NO PROBLEMS!!!! :D

Gabby, this is THE BEST MOD I HAVE EVER PLAYED!!!!!
Thank you & the Team for all of your hard work, this is AWESOME!:)

*I have only 1 glitch/bug to report.
You can recruit more men into your party from rescued prisoners than you are allowed, so I now have a party of 250 instead of the "allowed" 35. ;)
''best mod i ever played ''how you can call beta version the best mod???? is that your first mod ? no problem . try :
RUSSIA XIII CENTURY (dead)
BRYTENWALDA (unfinished)
1755 OLD FRONTIER (unfinished)
1866 (WILD WEST ) (dead)
CIVIL WAR RUSSIA
MONGOL OBSOLETE ,
SHOGUN MOD (dead )
CHINA BATTLEFIELD IIWW
all of them are good but is really hard to say which one is the best
probably best mods ever are rus (gameplay, reality ), brytenwalda (environment , game life ,views) and 1866 (idea , environment )but first two are still unfinshed and incomplete :-(

download RUS XIII CENTURY beta 0.401 (or 0.622), change settings for harder gameplay and you will see what i'm talking about :-P :-P
rest of mods are crap , no reality , or good lookng but shit for children
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 Re: 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by Uber Uther on Feb 16, 2012, 01:35:13 pm
brummiebiker wrote:
Uber Uther wrote:
Gabby, I have been playing for 8 hours straight, with NO PROBLEMS!!!! :D

Gabby, this is THE BEST MOD I HAVE EVER PLAYED!!!!!
Thank you & the Team for all of your hard work, this is AWESOME!:)

*I have only 1 glitch/bug to report.
You can recruit more men into your party from rescued prisoners than you are allowed, so I now have a party of 250 instead of the "allowed" 35. ;)
''best mod i ever played ''how you can call beta version the best mod???? is that your first mod ? no problem . try :
RUSSIA XIII CENTURY (dead)
BRYTENWALDA (unfinished)
1755 OLD FRONTIER (unfinished)
1866 (WILD WEST ) (dead)
CIVIL WAR RUSSIA
MONGOL OBSOLETE ,
SHOGUN MOD (dead )
CHINA BATTLEFIELD IIWW
all of them are good but is really hard to say which one is the best
probably best mods ever are rus (gameplay, reality ), brytenwalda (environment , game life ,views) and 1866 (idea , environment )but first two are still unfinshed and incomplete :-(

download RUS XIII CENTURY beta 0.401 (or 0.622), change settings for harder gameplay and you will see what i'm talking about :-P :-P
rest of mods are crap , no reality , or good lookng but shit for children

I have played all the mods on your list except Russia XIII Century, I still prefer 1860's Old America due to the genre.
Each to their own, but I will give Russia a try..
Ta. :)
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by brummiebiker on Feb 16, 2012, 07:31:05 pm
there is rus XIII for warband but SP is unplayable , u can try MP (i didn't )
ver 0.401 and 0.620 with patch to .o.622 are wicked , and they are for old M&B ! look at these textures :shock: , battles :shock: helmet first person view :shock: , injured knights moving slower :shock: and don''t be surprised strange sound in the taverns (knocking - ver 0622) i always think someone just came in into my bedroom when i play using headphones . f..in wicked mod !
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by forevermore on Mar 05, 2012, 02:07:06 am
Hi there.
Looks like good idea, it looks good :)
but Ive got a problem, because everytime when I start game, im playing some time, but randomly appears this error: "This application has requested runtime to terminate it in an unusual way" and the game crash.
My PC snt powerfull, i got everything on the lowest number.
Idea? :)
see ya.
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by forevermore on Mar 05, 2012, 02:09:53 am
and by the way, i played charokee and I got one "hero" with me already from the start, and his name is "tomahawk and rifle", I guess this isnt the right name for a guy, even for charokee but maybe its ok, just wanted to tell ya :)
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by muziozi1 on Apr 04, 2012, 09:42:14 am
i was very excited when saw this mod, i downloaded it, all the system reqs match the game, but seriously? wtf? everytime i try to start a campaign there's always a fuckin runtime error. i updated everything and still seeing it !!!!! help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by GABRILDURO on Apr 04, 2012, 10:45:49 am
Thx to all ppl up above for their comments.
Please consider that if the mod is working for the majority of players, and not for some persons, then THOSE have to read and try all things said up above in my first post.

Anyway:
PLEASE write your comments on the Main Forum
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/board,235.0.html



THX
Gabby ;-)
comment last edited by GABRILDURO on Apr 04, 2012, 10:48:52 am
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by tito_egy on Apr 18, 2012, 05:14:59 am
CRASHES LIKE FUK .... AND THE OLD MOD THAT U MODDED WAS BETTER (AMERICAN CIVIL WAR) THATS BULL $HIT


Chill. - Janus
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 Re: 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by GABRILDURO on Apr 22, 2012, 01:30:30 am
tito_egy wrote:
CRASHES LIKE FUK .... AND THE OLD MOD THAT U MODDED WAS BETTER (AMERICAN CIVIL WAR) THATS BULL $HIT


Chill. - Janus


Listen dude:
I know you just troll here, and honestly the biggest problem of my Mods is that they are completely FREE and that I work full time on them for the whole M&B Community, including RUDE people like you!!!
I say on top of this board that is still work in progress, so what??!! ....nevertheless most of players have no big issues with it!!!
Wash your mouth and show respect for the work of all of us modders, cuz we dedicate MOST of our free time to you all, and people like you are even so lazy that they cannot read the suggestion given to run the Mod!!!! :roll:
What did you do for the community? Nothing, right??! So post some behaved criticism or keep your mouth SHUT!!
And one last thing! Learn some good english!! ...mine is not perfect, but at least I know some more words than fuck and BULL $HIT

Gabrilduro
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 Re: 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by Uber Uther on Apr 22, 2012, 01:40:02 am
muziozi1 wrote:
i was very excited when saw this mod, i downloaded it, all the system reqs match the game, but seriously? wtf? everytime i try to start a campaign there's always a fuckin runtime error. i updated everything and still seeing it !!!!! help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously... LOOK AT THIS THREAD >>>>>>>>>>>http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,209372.0.html?PHPSESSID=dudmv9r0kc3ne6k4ktu52fp602

It will fix your problems.

Gabby and his Team have done an awesome job, but there are runtime errors for some users if you don't use the fix.
Please use the fix that is in the link I posted and you will not have problems.

I have Windows xp 32 bit and I had crashes on all of Gabby's beautiful mods until I did the boot fix.
I have NEVER had a crash since.

Please also have some more respect for Gabby and friends who have given up so much of their time for all of us.
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 1860s Old America (v v. 0.81)  » posted by OlGreedy on May 13, 2012, 01:19:54 pm
Epic Mode didnt crash at all got few little bugs but i dont care cos its OP
Awesoome Job! :pint:

Best Regards 4 whole team

ps. think about adding Clint Eastwood outfit from "For few dollars and The Good bad and ugly if its possible i would love having toon with poncho u know that green carpet looking tunic :-D
comment last edited by OlGreedy on May 17, 2012, 05:18:38 pm
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